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yayarea_raider
04-25-2009, 09:17 PM
Originally posted: April 25, 2009
Safety Mike Mitchell expected to be selected by Chicago Bears
By Vaughn McClure
The surprise pick of the second round was Ohio University safety Mike Mitchell going to the Raiders with the 47th overall selection, two slots before the Bears were supposed to pick.
Our friend David White from the San Francisco Chronicle, who covers the Raiders, informed us that Mitchell expected to go to the Bears at No.49. The Raiders traded down from No. 40, swapping with the New England Patriots.
``I thought I was going to Chicago because they had told me to stay close to my phone,'' Mitchell told Oakland-area reporters. ``When they did that, I was like, `Ok, I'm going to be a Chicago Bear.' That's what I was thinking.''
Bears general manager Jerry Angelo said he was looking at a defensive player before shipping the pick to Seattle for a third-rounder and a fourth-rounder. Angelo would not reveal the name of that defensive player.
The Bears also wanted Ohio State receiver Brian Robiskie, who went to Cleveland early in the second round.
Wide receiver and safety remain positions of need as the Bears enter Day 2 of the draft armed with nine picks.
doesn't mean they'd take him there though
The phrase "two wrongs don't make a right" comes to mind.
iceman4444
04-25-2009, 11:12 PM
doesn't mean they'd take him there though
whatever; and half the teams also said Sanchez was wanted more than stafford; I deal with what is and not rumors.
RAIderfan2112
04-26-2009, 09:03 AM
The biggest shock of the first day of the draft, according to the folks who supposedly know the draft inside and out, is that the Raiders selected Ohio University safety Mike Mitchell with the 47th overall pick.
But, as it turns out, Mitchell wouldn’t have otherwise plunged to round seven.
According to the Chicago Tribune, the Bears had planned to take Mitchell two picks later.
Mitchell said Saturday that, at the start of round two, the Bears claimed they’d be drafting him at No. 49.
“When [the Bears] did that, I was like, ‘I’m going to be a Chicago Bear,’ ” Mitchell said. “That’s what I was thinking.”
And so, with Mitchell gone, the Bears traded out of the spot.
“Unfortunately the players we targeted at 49 did not fall to us and we weren’t in a position that we were able to move up,” G.M. Jerry Angelo said.
So take heart, Raiders fans. Your front office doesn’t consist of idiots.
Unless Angelo is an idiot, too.
http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/04/26/raiders-didnt-reach-for-mitchell/
cheapshotartist
04-26-2009, 09:11 AM
With the people who were still on the board when we picked Mitchell is a reach. :csa:
ROCKET
04-26-2009, 10:03 AM
The biggest shock of the first day of the draft, according to the folks who supposedly know the draft inside and out, is that the Raiders selected Ohio University safety Mike Mitchell with the 47th overall pick.
But, as it turns out, Mitchell wouldn’t have otherwise plunged to round seven.
According to the Chicago Tribune, the Bears had planned to take Mitchell two picks later.
Mitchell said Saturday that, at the start of round two, the Bears claimed they’d be drafting him at No. 49.
“When [the Bears] did that, I was like, ‘I’m going to be a Chicago Bear,’ ” Mitchell said. “That’s what I was thinking.”
And so, with Mitchell gone, the Bears traded out of the spot.
“Unfortunately the players we targeted at 49 did not fall to us and we weren’t in a position that we were able to move up,” G.M. Jerry Angelo said.
So take heart, Raiders fans. Your front office doesn’t consist of idiots.
Unless Angelo is an idiot, too.
http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/04/26/raiders-didnt-reach-for-mitchell/
Well this is the guy who IMO overpaid for Cuntler....
iceman4444
04-26-2009, 01:46 PM
doesn't mean they'd take him there though
LOL; everyone that believes this stand on your head; the Bears were interested in signing him as a second day pick or an undrafted free agents.
Stop the Al Davis worship; it's amazing there are still some trying to justify all these moves when year after year you are proven wrong.
LOL; everyone that believes this stand on your head; the Bears were interested in signing him as a second day pick or an undrafted free agents.
cite the source.....
stop posting irresponsibly iceeeeeeeeee...
come on... you are losing credibility by the post.
Miklo
04-26-2009, 05:27 PM
LOL; everyone that believes this stand on your head; the Bears were interested in signing him as a second day pick or an undrafted free agents.
Stop the Al Davis worship; it's amazing there are still some trying to justify all these moves when year after year you are proven wrong.
At the beginning of the second round, the Bears told Ohio safety Michael Mitchell to stay by his phone because they planned to draft him at No. 49. But the Raiders beat them to it, taking Mitchell two spots earlier.
"When [the Bears] did that, I was like, 'I'm going to be a Chicago Bear,' " Mitchell told the Raiders media during a teleconference. "That's what I was thinking."
That's what the Bears were thinking, too, until Oakland raided their second-round cupboard.
"Unfortunately the players we targeted at 49 did not fall to us and we weren't in a position that we were able to move up ¿ we just didn't have enough," Angelo said.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/nfldraft/chi-26-haugh-bears-nfl-draft-apr26,0,4716296.column
Is Jerry Angelo a liar or something?
Sonny Cheeba
04-26-2009, 05:32 PM
Chicago planned on taking him.....and??? I mean cmon, it's not like there weren't a TON of good players available. Hey at least we gift-wrapped Ron Brace for the Patsies....because they really need all the help they can get. :rolleyes:
we had everette brown for the taking..... that was the one that killed me.
Sonny Cheeba
04-26-2009, 05:56 PM
we had everette brown for the taking..... that was the one that killed me.
And Ron Brace. But I guess Al wanted to throw a bone to Belichick.....shit.
iceman4444
04-27-2009, 12:30 AM
The biggest shock of the first day of the draft, according to the folks who supposedly know the draft inside and out, is that the Raiders selected Ohio University safety Mike Mitchell with the 47th overall pick.
But, as it turns out, Mitchell wouldn’t have otherwise plunged to round seven.
According to the Chicago Tribune, the Bears had planned to take Mitchell two picks later.
Mitchell said Saturday that, at the start of round two, the Bears claimed they’d be drafting him at No. 49.
“When [the Bears] did that, I was like, ‘I’m going to be a Chicago Bear,’ ” Mitchell said. “That’s what I was thinking.”
And so, with Mitchell gone, the Bears traded out of the spot.
“Unfortunately the players we targeted at 49 did not fall to us and we weren’t in a position that we were able to move up,” G.M. Jerry Angelo said.
So take heart, Raiders fans. Your front office doesn’t consist of idiots.
Unless Angelo is an idiot, too.
http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/04/26/raiders-didnt-reach-for-mitchell/
The Chicago Tribune also said the Jay Cutler trade was off, and then an hour later ESPN said it had already occurred.
the Bears didn't want him; and if they did; even though they didn't; they are as stupid as the Raiders; Most teams had him at the highest, a 5th rounder and they said so; many said they wanted to take him including Chicago, Miami and Denver if he didn't get drafted.
Some of you lemmings are searching for ways to make the Raiders not seem stupid; you've been doing it for years and you look foolish every time.
Even if this is true this is ONE other team that showed interest. Is Kiper, Mayock, and all these other draft sites and experts so far off they missed this guys possible talent? Now I know Kiper has a bad haircut and most of us dont like these guys but how far off are they from nfl scouts and gm's? from possible udfa to rd 2???
I think its more likely that 2 nfl teams were stupid enough to look at this guy this early rather than 30 other teams and draft experts getting it wrong and missing out.
How many of you WANTED Mitchell in round 2? All I heard was Robiskie, Nicks, Brace, Loadholt, DHB, M. Johnson.
No one mentioned this guy before the raiders brought him in for a look and still nobody wanted this guy, at least not this early. Only after we take him does everyone jump on this guy like he's a good player.
Like someone said we could draft hannah montana and people would defend the pick lol
BigPrimo
04-27-2009, 12:48 AM
The Chicago Tribune also said the Jay Cutler trade was off, and then an hour later ESPN said it had already occurred.
the Bears didn't want him; and if they did; even though they didn't; they are as stupid as the Raiders; Most teams had him at the highest, a 5th rounder and they said so; many said they wanted to take him including Chicago, Miami and Denver if he didn't get drafted.
Some of you lemmings are searching for ways to make the Raiders not seem stupid; you've been doing it for years and you look foolish every time.
what does it matter what other teams think? Or where someone rates a player. In fact i lov ethe Mitchell pick. I think he i sone of the purest football players we have drafted in a long time. I get it because he didnt go to a big time school hes not worth it? LEts at least see if he and the others we passed pan out. Just because BRace works out in NE doesnt mean hes gonna work out here. You do realise Safety has been one of the raiders biggest needs for at least since Turner passed (RIP), even Woodson was a just a stop gap. I truely believe we got the best safety in the draft cause he can do both stopping teh run and be good in coveage and has teh speed to make up ground. But at least give the guy a chance to see what he can do before you bash him or the team for drafting a position of need. Just as you say we are trying to drink Al's kool aid, well tell me plz how does the mel Kiper and co. Kool aid YOUR DRINKING TASTE?
Tió Nook Nook
04-27-2009, 12:49 AM
i don't give a shit who was picked where so long as they play some fucking ball on sunday
BigPrimo
04-27-2009, 12:50 AM
Even if this is true this is ONE other team that showed interest. Is Kiper, Mayock, and all these other draft sites and experts so far off they missed this guys possible talent? Now I know Kiper has a bad haircut and most of us dont like these guys but how far off are they from nfl scouts and gm's? from possible udfa to rd 2???
I think its more likely that 2 nfl teams were stupid enough to look at this guy this early rather than 30 other teams and draft experts getting it wrong and missing out.
How many of you WANTED Mitchell in round 2? All I heard was Robiskie, Nicks, Brace, Loadholt, DHB, M. Johnson.
No one mentioned this guy before the raiders brought him in for a look and still nobody wanted this guy, at least not this early. Only after we take him does everyone jump on this guy like he's a good player.
Like someone said we could draft hannah montana and people would defend the pick lol
i actually wanted him when i saw him. And why would a team like the colt for example even need to look at a safety? Most teams already have a safety and there are teams that dont like us and the bears and we both thought this guy was teh best and we beat the bears to him? I dont see teh problem. If kiper and mayock and co are so damn good how come they aint working fo rnfl teams?
BigPrimo
04-27-2009, 12:53 AM
i don't give a shit who was picked where so long as they play some fucking ball on sunday
amen
i actually wanted him when i saw him. And why would a team like the colt for example even need to look at a safety? Most teams already have a safety and there are teams that dont like us and the bears and we both thought this guy was teh best and we beat the bears to him? I dont see teh problem. If kiper and mayock and co are so damn good how come they aint working fo rnfl teams?
To me he has some fundamental problems that could be fixed with proper coaching. But considering how guys like Gibson and huff have turned out im not extremely hopeful. How many people besides you wanted this guy? My point is some people are just drones. They hear a name, watch a highlight or 2 on espn, and like this or that player without breaking him down or comparing him to anyone else. They will defend every pick until he is officially labeled a bust by the media or he isnt a raider anymore. Johhnie Morant ring a bell? lol Andrew Walter still has supporters! :laugh:
BigPrimo
04-27-2009, 01:24 AM
To me he has some fundamental problems that could be fixed with proper coaching. But considering how guys like Gibson and huff have turned out im not extremely hopeful. How many people besides you wanted this guy? My point is some people are just drones. They hear a name, watch a highlight or 2 on espn, and like this or that player without breaking him down or comparing him to anyone else. They will defend every pick until he is officially labeled a bust by the media or he isnt a raider anymore. Johhnie Morant ring a bell? lol Andrew Walter still has supporters! :laugh:
i cant defend those guy nor can i defend the DHB pick i can just hope along with the rest of us that he pans out but this kid is an actuall football player, when i sthe last time we actually drafted one of those?
Most teams had him at the highest, a 5th rounder and they said so;
.
Show me where this was said....
I will show you something...
On Sunday morning, Mayock, when told the Chicago Bears were reportedly poised to select Mitchell, “apologized” for saying the Raiders could actually drafted the cornerback in the fifth round or later.
Mayock said he had seen no film of Mitchell and had no real handle on his skills.
http://www.ibabuzz.com/raidersblog/2009/04/26/sharp-criticism-from-carter-dilfer/
There yoo go Ice...
Mayock didnt even evaluate tape on him.....
and you didnt either....
And alot of NFL temas DID....
So therefore, you know absolutely nothing about what teams were planning to do in regards to Mitchell..
Again ice, you spout off, and you fail.
JRaider17
04-27-2009, 09:38 AM
Mayock actually apologized...lmao
Padrino
04-27-2009, 10:27 AM
Chicago planned on taking him.....and??? I mean cmon, it's not like there weren't a TON of good players available. Hey at least we gift-wrapped Ron Brace for the Patsies....because they really need all the help they can get. :rolleyes:
What is it with Al hand delivering players to NE? Shit...
The Man
04-27-2009, 12:02 PM
http://www.ibabuzz.com/raidersblog/2009/04/26/sharp-criticism-from-carter-dilfer/
That just goes to show the Raider bashing when he admits he hadn't even seen tape of him. That could support the theory of Mitchell not being considered a 2nd round pick, but we got him and, as others have mentioned, he looks like a Football Player which is something we need.
BigPrimo
04-27-2009, 12:06 PM
That just goes to show the Raider bashing when he admits he hadn't even seen tape of him. That could support the theory of Mitchell not being considered a 2nd round pick, but we got him and, as others have mentioned, he looks like a Football Player which is something we need.
thats all im saying. PEople didnt do homework on him and now they are puzzled. Maybe if these guys did their job and looked at these kids from smaller schools then maybe they wouldnt look like idots on tv bashing people who have no idea what thy are talking about.
This kid is a good football player.
Sonny Cheeba
04-27-2009, 07:36 PM
This from Peter King.....just for thought
f. The Mid-American Conference has first-, second- and third-team all-conference teams. Ohio University safety Michael Mitchell did not make any of the three last fall. The Raiders used the 15th pick of the second round on Mitchell.
g. I asked three GMs Saturday and Sunday where they had Mitchell on their boards. One said he had a seventh-round grade. Two said he had a free-agent grade.
h. Mitchell is the highest-drafted player of this decade not to have been invited to the combine.
i. You get the point. The pick of Mitchell, and where he was picked, was greeted with as much incredulity as any pick I remember. The only team clearly in competition for him was Chicago.
JRaider17
04-27-2009, 07:50 PM
Just let the kids fucking play, you can bitch all you want not gonna change anything. If he plays bad then bitch, for now everyone has got their anger out for the last couple of days. No need to anymore...
We know DHB was picked too high....we know Mitchell should of never been picked that high etc.
Sonny Cheeba
04-27-2009, 07:58 PM
I should have mentioned that it was posted because Bump thought Ice was full of shit when he said teams had the guy rated as a day 2 prospect at best. Sorry bump but I had to do it. :mean:
I should have mentioned that it was posted because Bump thought Ice was full of shit when he said teams had the guy rated as a day 2 prospect at best. Sorry bump but I had to do it. :mean:
Yes but Peter King fails to name who.... and that was "3" out of 32.. That hardly accounts for "everybody" as ice stated.
Again, allegedly, Browns took Crabtree off their board completely. So does that make them any crazier than Al?
Sonny Cheeba
04-27-2009, 08:10 PM
Yes but Peter King fails to name who.... and that was "3" out of 32.. That hardly accounts for "everybody" as ice stated.
Again, allegedly, Browns took Crabtree off their board completely. So does that make them any crazier than Al?
Nobody is crazier than Al and I guarantee you Tom is pissed we took a project WR over Monroe.
Nobody is crazier than Al and I guarantee you Tom is pissed we took a project WR over Monroe.
Tom said he wanted DHB. Its too easy to blame the pick on Al.
Could have been, might not have been.
Fact is DHB was going to be gone by the time they came around again....
So was Mitchell, he was going to be gone too as the Bears were going to take him.
So the Raiders saw 2 guys they needed to have, and they did what they had to get them. I commend them for staying true to their board.
I'm really not too mad about the way the draft transpired.
Im not going to lie, when I saw them take DHB over Crabtree.. It stung a little. But maybe it will turn out... It looks like a bad bet on the surface... But maybe it will turn out.
Sonny Cheeba
04-27-2009, 08:27 PM
DHB has Al written all over it my dude, there is no freakin way in HELL he wasn't 100% Al's guy. Cable might have agreed with it, put on a smiley face about the pick, whatever you want to call it.
And for the record I think Louis Murphy was easily our best pick and that is not a good thing. I know Florida WR track record but I'm talking from a value/expectations standpoint.
JRaider17
04-27-2009, 08:29 PM
I think Murphy is gonna do pretty well....
Sonny Cheeba
04-27-2009, 08:34 PM
Walker will be on IR by midseason so I would not be surprised if he's our no. 3 wideout.
DHB has Al written all over it my dude, there is no freakin way in HELL he wasn't 100% Al's guy. Cable might have agreed with it, put on a smiley face about the pick, whatever you want to call it.
And for the record I think Louis Murphy was easily our best pick and that is not a good thing. I know Florida WR track record but I'm talking from a value/expectations standpoint.
As far as measurables go, its a dictionary Al Davis pick, but I do think that the character of dhb was something that had to jive with exactly what Cable wanted on his team, which is why I was high on the pick as well. Either way he's a Raider and I could give less than two shits who really wanted who. We can have these discussions at the end of the season, and Im sure, depending on the results, you will hear 50% of people singing a different tune.
East Bay King
04-27-2009, 08:46 PM
Nothing personal, but I don't care who else was interested in Mitchell. WE were interested in him and we took him. We needed a safety and we drafted one. Raider fans don't need approval of our draft choices from anyone. He hits like a train and has good closing speed. He comes from a small program and should be hungry to prove he belongs. We took a chance on Huff who was from a high profile program, and he has yet to catch on at the level the Raiders demand in their secondary. We must shore up our pass rush so they will not need to stay in coverage so long. We addressed the pass rush through the draft, but we must get Burgess going again. They experts act like the Raiders are the only ones who miss on a draft pick. By week 8 you won't remember half of these draft picks, which team they went to or if they are even relevant.
Nothing personal, but I don't care who else was interested in Mitchell. WE were interested in him and we took him. We needed a safety and we drafted one. Raider fans don't need approval of our draft choices from anyone. He hits like a train and has good closing speed. He comes from a small program and should be hungry to prove he belongs. We took a chance on Huff who was from a high profile program, and he has yet to catch on at the level the Raiders demand in their secondary. We must shore up our pass rush so they will not need to stay in coverage so long. We addressed the pass rush through the draft, but we must get Burgess going again. They experts act like the Raiders are the only ones who miss on a draft pick. By week 8 you won't remember half of these draft picks, which team they went to or if they are even relevant.
Good post, king. Welcome to tha spot. When I watched Mitchell's film, I was blown away by his ability to lay a sucker out, but did notice his lack of technique wrapping up. But listening to what he had to say about proving his worth and knowing that he modeling his game after Tatum, I am sold that the Raiders made a great choice. Even the "topnotch" windbags had to apologize after actually finding out who homeboy was.
If he can bring that swagg back to our cupcake ass safety positions with Mitchell and Branch, I'll be a happy mugg.
East Bay King
04-27-2009, 08:56 PM
Obviously he was Al's guy. Crabtree would not run at the combine, didn't want to be a Raider, and came from a division where nobody played alot of defense. He had drops in big games too, (see 07 game against Oklahoma State.) I've seen what overpaid, spoiled, unmotivated superstar recievers look like in Oakland, (Randy Moss) and I want no part of it. Jaworski watches as much film as anyone, and he disagreed with the so-called experts. The same experts that told us Matt Lienert and Vince Young couldn't miss in the NFL. I'll take a fast guy with a chip on his shoulder anytime. He was a first rounder on most people's boards, and now he's got something to prove.
Dewn Coon
04-27-2009, 09:23 PM
DHB has Al written all over it my dude, there is no freakin way in HELL he wasn't 100% Al's guy. Cable might have agreed with it, put on a smiley face about the pick, whatever you want to call it.
And for the record I think Louis Murphy was easily our best pick and that is not a good thing. I know Florida WR track record but I'm talking from a value/expectations standpoint.
Yeah. Murphy was pretty much the only good value pick of the entire draft. I think he could develop into a good number 2 some day, but nothing more.
East Bay King
04-27-2009, 10:06 PM
You could not have said it better. People are acting like these draft picks are the end of the world. We drafted who we wanted and that's that. If the experts were so smart, Gallery, Dudley and Huff (all from major programs) would have played better than they did. Most of the so-called stars in recint drafts are way too overpaid comming into the league and and cannot deal with the criticism that comes with playing in less than perfect programs. The demands placed on defensive secondary players and offensive lineman under the Raiders exposes a lot of these kids and they do not have the leadership ability to stand up to the challenge of improving their game. They take the first bus out of town and go to a program where they won't be exposed. See Phillip Buchanon. Now they sit in the Green Room in $3000.00 suites and spend more time on the phone with their agent than they do with their new offensive or defensive coach.
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