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cheapshotartist
04-04-2009, 07:26 AM
Everyone is talking about the offense but defense wins championships and we need to address ours If we are going to move up in the AFC West. Our front seven is very weak and over paid. Our defensive line is very average if that I would place us below average. I'll start with our DT's Kelly, Sands, Warren and Joseph. Kelly was not even drafted yet he is one of the highest paid DT's in the NFL. How did that happen? What has he done to earn this type of money? Turd Sands! How much is this stiff making? Sands is never in shape and as big as his ass is he gets knocked off the LOS by one offensive lineman. Sands soft ass should be tying up the center and guard on every running play but his ass is to weak. With only one offensive lineman taking care of Sands this leaves a guard or the center free to get to our LB's who have major problems getting off of blocks. Kelly and Warren are about the same but Warren (how much is he making?) can rush the passer but can't stay healthy and in the line up. None of our defensive linemen are good against the run they are all pass rushers and besides Burgess at times none of them are a threat to sack the Q on a regular basis. Our DE's are also very average and also get handled by one offensive lineman. We must address our weak defensive line if we are ever going to compete with the rest of the teams in our division! Tomorrow: Linebackers.
:csa:
LB_RA¹Ð³R
04-04-2009, 05:29 PM
Our D Line is weak Burgess & Warren can't stay healthy But when they are they aren't that bad. Trevor Scott might get more playing time this season, He played pretty well last season led the team in sacks (5)
silver & black
04-04-2009, 06:48 PM
Our D Line is weak Burgess & Warren can't stay healthy But when they are they aren't that bad. Trevor Scott might get more playing time this season, He played pretty well last season led the team in sacks (5)
Burgess is no good against the run. Untill this team can consistently play well against the run, W's will be infrequent.
Our D Line is weak Burgess & Warren can't stay healthy But when they are they aren't that bad. Trevor Scott might get more playing time this season, He played pretty well last season led the team in sacks (5)
But wasn't three of them from the jets game?
If our backers are up near the line and we throw in some run blitzes our defense can be pretty good at times. G. Warren can wreak havoc at times. Our backers can move from sideline to sideline. We just have to stop backs from getting bursts through these big holes up the middle. Our corners can hold their own we have to blitz and make teams throw at our corners. Howard gets all this credit for being so good in coverage but in man coverage the guy is lost everytime. We have to run more press too. The cover 3 defense we try to run is just terrible. Man free with press coverage is probably our best option.
But wasn't three of them from the jets game?
Scott is a decent rusher that cant play the run for his life. He has no instincts and is undersized.
cheapshotartist
04-05-2009, 06:54 AM
Burgess is no good against the run. Untill this team can consistently play well against the run, W's will be infrequent.
I agree its like we don't even try to fix the defense unless its in the secondary. I don't know whats up with that.:csa:
JRaider17
04-05-2009, 06:55 AM
While I do like the idea of drafting Crabtree, it would not get me mad to see us try and stop the run this year.
cheapshotartist
04-05-2009, 06:56 AM
If our backers are up near the line and we throw in some run blitzes our defense can be pretty good at times. G. Warren can wreak havoc at times. Our backers can move from sideline to sideline. We just have to stop backs from getting bursts through these big holes up the middle. Our corners can hold their own we have to blitz and make teams throw at our corners. Howard gets all this credit for being so good in coverage but in man coverage the guy is lost everytime. We have to run more press too. The cover 3 defense we try to run is just terrible. Man free with press coverage is probably our best option.
Good post 24 and I agree. :csa:
cheapshotartist
04-05-2009, 06:58 AM
Scott is a decent rusher that cant play the run for his life. He has no instincts and is undersized.
Most of our DL are the same type of player, pass rushers and thats why teams run on our azz all day long. We have no run stuffers!
:csa:
JRaider17
04-05-2009, 07:02 AM
^^ That is very true.
Does anyone notice a lot of the times our ends would rush very WIDE, even line up like that. It leaves HUGE holes for RBs.
cheapshotartist
04-05-2009, 07:15 AM
While I do like the idea of drafting Crabtree, it would not get me mad to see us try and stop the run this year.
Its very simple JR17 If we can't stop the run we will not win many games in 2009. :csa:
silver & black
04-05-2009, 07:19 AM
Its very simple JR17 If we can't stop the run we will not win many games in 2009. :csa:
It would seem like that should be very obvious by now. Most of the losses have come from our opponents running the ball down our throat. I still can't get that 3rd string RB from KC out of my head. :(
JRaider17
04-05-2009, 07:21 AM
Its very simple JR17 If we can't stop the run we will not win many games in 2009. :csa:
I'm not saying we don't address the D-Line, but why must the first pick be D-Line? We have another 6 rounds to address the D-Line. Just because we draft a WR first, doesn't mean we are going to ignore the line.
silver & black
04-05-2009, 07:31 AM
I'm not saying we don't address the D-Line, but why must the first pick be D-Line? We have another 6 rounds to address the D-Line. Just because we draft a WR first, doesn't mean we are going to ignore the line.
I don't have a problem with that. I do have a problem with the seemingly lack of motivation by this organization to admit that this D line sucks, and is in need of shoring up. Sands just plain stinks. Kelly hasn't proven a damn thing... other than he can get paid. Burgess is getting on in years, and is never healthy. Warren is always injured, and inconsistent.
I don't care what round the D line is addressed in... as long as it gets addressed.
JRaider17
04-05-2009, 07:34 AM
I don't have a problem with that. I do have a problem with the seemingly lack of motivation by this organization to admit that this D line sucks, and is in need of shoring up. Sands just plain stinks. Kelly hasn't proven a damn thing... other than he can get paid. Burgess is getting on in years, and is never healthy. Warren is always injured, and inconsistent.
I don't care what round the D line is addressed in... as long as it gets addressed.
Sands - Sucks
Kelly is pretty good, but does not deserve the money he got at all.
Warren - Starts off strong, then gets hurt and disappears.
cheapshotartist
04-05-2009, 08:08 AM
It would seem like that should be very obvious by now. Most of the losses have come from our opponents running the ball down our throat. I still can't get that 3rd string RB from KC out of my head. :(
I can't remember who it was but a lot of 2nd & 3rd string RB's have looked like Walter Payton or Barry Sanders against our defense.
:csa:
JRaider17
04-05-2009, 08:08 AM
I can't remember who it was but a lot of 2nd & 3rd string RB's have looked like Walter Payton or Barry Sanders against our defense.
:csa:
Kolby Smith lmao
Its very simple JR17 If we can't stop the run we will not win many games in 2009. :csa:
MAybe not entirely true, CSA. While I agree that shoring up run D is will improve W/L column, The Raiders rarely put together teams that have been huge run stopping forces, but rather top tier pass defenders built around speed and were able to outscore their oppononents on offense right out the gate, so teams didnt have the chance to run...
If we spend our draft and money on shoring up run D and dont continue to build a high powered offense we will have the same probs we have had the last few years..., Run D will be moot anyway because if we start out the games with the classic 3 series of 3 and outs, and the opponent gets up on us early, we're fucked anyway.
IT like without an offense, you can have a great defense and still not win many games these days, unlike the 90's and earlier.
We need a balance of the two this offseason. We have to make the offense more potent, and we have to add a couple key defenders in there, but wont be able to fix it all this year.
Sands - Sucks
Kelly is pretty good, but does not deserve the money he got at all.
Warren - Starts off strong, then gets hurt and disappears.
Kelly got a pass from me last year, being he just came off a major acl injury and it usually takes two full years to recover to 100%, but if he doesn't up his game then I'm done with him.
JRaider17
04-05-2009, 04:12 PM
Kelly got a pass from me last year, being he just came off a major acl injury and it usually takes two full years to recover to 100%, but if he doesn't up his game then I'm done with him.
Kelly was decent, hopefully his game steps up with another year under him. If not, we gotta get rid of him or that contract.
yayarea_raider
04-05-2009, 07:13 PM
I'm so tired of seeing Gerad Warren and T. Sands start at NT...
NEWSFLASH RAIDERS: WARREN IS A UT AND SANDS SUCKS!
T. Knighton or Raji plz god
Kelly was decent, hopefully his game steps up with another year under him. If not, we gotta get rid of him or that contract.
I completely disagree. I think Kelly was terrible last year. I'll give him a pass like Boom said because ive seen his explosiveness before. He's blown past OT's so I know he has the ability to beat OG's and C's. He had a good year in 2005. He had some good flashes then.
Gridiron PIRATE
04-06-2009, 09:43 PM
Most of our DL are the same type of player, pass rushers and thats why teams run on our azz all day long. We have no run stuffers!
:csa:
PREACH! (Though this choir already knows the chorus :csa:)
We just plug players and hope they do something - that shit ain't workin!
What we need/should have been doing is getting players on the line that have a penchant for stopping the run, whether it's through the draft or free agency. It's a mentality that i believe is foreign to our players! It's sad!
GenRaider
04-06-2009, 09:53 PM
Good post, CSA.
I think we need to upgrade two positions in particular if we want to become better at defending the run: Defensive End and Linebacker. Our linebackers have proven they cannot get off blocks and make plays. Thus, we need somebody who is going to create car-like collisions in the run game, a more physical specimen at SLB is needed, IMO. Furthermore, most of our defensive ends, do not play with good leverage and they get pushed around too easy, especially the starters. Burgess and Scott are more pass rushers than run de.
I think there are some intriguing prospects in the draft. If we do not go DE in the first round, I would take a hard look at a couple of guys in round two and on. One guy that catches my attention is the Richmond DE, Sidsbury -- the kid can play and he has a decent frame.
Other positions I think which needs to be ugraded is to have better play at the SS/FS and getting another DT in the later rounds. Some of the smaller schools have some intriguing prospects at DT. Clemson has an undervalue DT who is good as does the university of Stilman...
www.nationalfootballpost.com is probably the best site on the web if you want to look at the NFL Draft chart of who are the best players and such; i use that site for one of my mocks that I did when I ran with the Raiders and the Lions.
Gridiron PIRATE
04-06-2009, 10:20 PM
Gen, i'm curious to know your opinion of the USC LBs Cushing and Matthews. Think they can play SLB for us or not good enough?
GenRaider
04-06-2009, 10:34 PM
Gen, i'm curious to know your opinion of the USC LBs Cushing and Matthews. Think they can play SLB for us or not good enough?
I prefer Matthews over Cushing. In my humble opinion, I think Cushing is severly overhyped and rated. He played next to Ray M, who was able to hide the defencies that Brian had. I think Matthews is a very intriguing prospect as an outside linebacker. Lord knows we need some more size at outside linebacker, as we currently have Ricky Brown (injury prone) and Thomas Howard as the starting outside backers. Howard is a light weight, but is good in terms of what we want him to do.
3. Clint Sintim, Virginia. HT: 6'3" WT: 252 LBS.
Sintim is a very good sized linebacker. He plays a very physical style against the run, stays at home on misdirection plays, and is an aggressive, sure tackler. He is an excellent pass rusher with good speed around the offensive tackle, strong legs to bull rush a blocker, and tremendous technique. He has also proven to be very durable over his college career as he never missed a game due to injury. There are concerns that Sintim struggles a bit in coverage even with his good speed, and he lacks the flexibility to change direction quickly preventing him from either knocking down passes or making open field tackles in coverage. Sintim is a solid talent but his problems in pass coverage to go along with his excellent pass rush capabilities make him more viable to a 3-4 defense than that of a 4-3. That could help or hurt his stock a bit depending on which NFL teams are running the 3-4 and what needs they have, but expect Sintim at worst to be a mid 2nd rounder, and more than likely a top level 2nd rounder.
http://www.nolimitsportsline.com/mj_article_0013_top10_olb.htm
Gridiron PIRATE
04-06-2009, 10:42 PM
Most of our DL are the same type of player, pass rushers and thats why teams run on our azz all day long. We have no run stuffers!
:csa:
I prefer Matthews over Cushing. In my humble opinion, I think Cushing is severly overhyped and rated. He played next to Ray M, who was able to hide the defencies that Brian had. I think Matthews is a very intriguing prospect as an outside linebacker. Lord knows we need some more size at outside linebacker, as we currently have Ricky Brown (injury prone) and Thomas Howard as the starting outside backers. Howard is a light weight, but is good in terms of what we want him to do.
3. Clint Sintim, Virginia. HT: 6'3" WT: 252 LBS.
Sintim is a very good sized linebacker. He plays a very physical style against the run, stays at home on misdirection plays, and is an aggressive, sure tackler. He is an excellent pass rusher with good speed around the offensive tackle, strong legs to bull rush a blocker, and tremendous technique. He has also proven to be very durable over his college career as he never missed a game due to injury. There are concerns that Sintim struggles a bit in coverage even with his good speed, and he lacks the flexibility to change direction quickly preventing him from either knocking down passes or making open field tackles in coverage. Sintim is a solid talent but his problems in pass coverage to go along with his excellent pass rush capabilities make him more viable to a 3-4 defense than that of a 4-3. That could help or hurt his stock a bit depending on which NFL teams are running the 3-4 and what needs they have, but expect Sintim at worst to be a mid 2nd rounder, and more than likely a top level 2nd rounder.
http://www.nolimitsportsline.com/mj_article_0013_top10_olb.htm
Interesting you bring up Sintim. I saw him maybe as a third but he is a good player, def a baller.
GenRaider
04-06-2009, 10:55 PM
Interesting you bring up Sintim. I saw him maybe as a third but he is a good player, def a baller.
The guy who wrote the anyalsis which I link is dead on. We already have two players who are good aganist the past. What we need is a violent linebacker that is going to be a sure tackler, and who can blow up the run.
el boracho
04-07-2009, 12:04 AM
The guy who wrote the anyalsis which I link is dead on. We already have two players who are good aganist the past. What we need is a violent linebacker that is going to be a sure tackler, and who can blow up the run.
a monster middle linebacker that can shed some dam blocks and wreck havic in the backfield would sure be nice....
GenRaider
04-08-2009, 12:37 AM
I'm so tired of seeing Gerad Warren and T. Sands start at NT...
NEWSFLASH RAIDERS: WARREN IS A UT AND SANDS SUCKS!
T. Knighton or Raji plz god
Knighton is a day two pick, but there are better players. Clemson, Stillman, Kentucky have intruging Defensive Tackles.
I'm so tired of seeing Gerad Warren and T. Sands start at NT...
NEWSFLASH RAIDERS: WARREN IS A UT AND SANDS SUCKS!
T. Knighton or Raji plz god
I'm just as tired of seeing Kelly out there at UT. He doesnt get any penetration. Usually he is completely neutralized.
GenRaider
04-08-2009, 12:45 AM
I'm just as tired of seeing Kelly out there at UT. He doesnt get any penetration. Usually he is completely neutralized.
Kelly is not the issue, Sands and our light weight defensive ends. But KELLY does need to step up.
BlackHeart
04-08-2009, 12:49 AM
We have one completely soft Dline period. Hopefully we plan on adding some capable players there before the season starts.
GenRaider
04-08-2009, 12:54 AM
We have one completely soft Dline period. Hopefully we plan on adding some capable players there before the season starts.
You won't see an overhaul, but rather some tweaking. Some guys should be camp casualties.
Kelly is not the issue, Sands and our light weight defensive ends. But KELLY does need to step up.
I personally see WARREN get more penetration then KELLY does. Isn't that what a UT's job is? All I see Kelly do is stand at the line waiting for the play to come to him. We don't have a NT, not a real one. I understand that. But if not for the big deal Kelly got who would you start at UT when we get a good Nose? I would go with Warren. He makes more plays and is a disruptor. He just can't handle taking on double teams.
BlackHeart
04-08-2009, 01:28 AM
You won't see an overhaul, but rather some tweaking. Some guys should be camp casualties.
Just the fact that we won't see an overhaul is the sad part.
Just the fact that we won't see an overhaul is the sad part.
Seems like the OL was the top priority this offseason. Along with helping out JaMarcus. It will be more clear if we take Crabtree or a WR as well.
yayarea_raider
04-08-2009, 02:40 PM
I would go with Warren. He makes more plays and is a disruptor. He just can't handle taking on double teams.
EXACTLY WHY HE SHOULD NOT be starting at nose tackle. He is a UT. Should be going in when Kelly needs a breather. If a NT is not drafted we have the same problems on defense that we've had for a long time.
Raiders will not be able to stop the run...especially with starting Derrick Burgess. IMO they need to find someone to start there through the draft or start Richardson there and put Burgess in on passing downs.
Scott is a pure pass rusher too. Scott and Burgess have no buz whatsoever on the field on 1st or 2nd down unless someone needs a breather.
yayarea_raider
04-08-2009, 02:42 PM
I'm just as tired of seeing Kelly out there at UT. He doesnt get any penetration. Usually he is completely neutralized.
Not true. Kelly will be more in shape than he was last yr coming into the season, and hopefully will have a NT next to him to disrupt things.
Kelly has been at his best at UT. I'm looking forward to him getting better and better.
GenRaider
04-08-2009, 04:20 PM
Just the fact that we won't see an overhaul is the sad part.
Well you cannot overhaul the entire defense in one season, my friend. If so, that would mean 11 new players and, whether we like it or not, you cannot do that in the league today. I could see us maybe going with 3-5 new starters.
Miklo
04-08-2009, 07:03 PM
Well you cannot overhaul the entire defense in one season, my friend. If so, that would mean 11 new players and, whether we like it or not, you cannot do that in the league today. I could see us maybe going with 3-5 new starters.
Yea, expecting an entire change on defense is pretty ridiculous. A handful of positions this offseason would be nice, but then again, most teams don't have a pro bowler at every position on defense anyways.
As for Kelly, his problem was simple - no NT playing with him. I don't know if I was the only one noticing, but I noticed that a lot of the time when Warren got penetration it was because Kelly was taking a double team...something he shouldn't need to do. When all was said and done, he had a decent season. He needs to step up, because he's nowhere near earning that contract, but bringing in a big body to take up double teams would certainly help him be more of a disruptor.
Nacho Vidal
04-09-2009, 08:14 AM
El Boracho your right....Ray Lewis was upset about the same problem we had with our defense and what did Baltimore do.....They listened and picked Ngata and now they have one of the leagues best run defenses in football. Its too bad Al Davis only listens to himself. Maybe we will use our picks on all the fastest guys in the draft. We have needed a good run stuffing DT for ever, and every year what do we get the fastest cornerback in the draft. Thanks Fabin Washington, Michael Huff, and Stanford Routt for stopping the run. We really appreciate the contributions you have all made to ranking us at bottom of the league in run defense. When is AL going to learn this is the greatest priority every year. If he does not address this we are never going to win the AFC west. Every year Kansas City, San Diego, and Denver run the ball down our throats and AL does not seem to care. Would not be surprised if we did not draft a DT in this years draft.
Not true. Kelly will be more in shape than he was last yr coming into the season, and hopefully will have a NT next to him to disrupt things.
Kelly has been at his best at UT. I'm looking forward to him getting better and better.
What is not true? Kelly almost never gets any push or finds his way into the backfield.
cheapshotartist
04-09-2009, 11:36 AM
El Boracho your right....Ray Lewis was upset about the same problem we had with our defense and what did Baltimore do.....They listened and picked Ngata and now they have one of the leagues best run defenses in football. Its too bad Al Davis only listens to himself. Maybe we will use our picks on all the fastest guys in the draft. We have needed a good run stuffing DT for ever, and every year what do we get the fastest cornerback in the draft. Thanks Fabin Washington, Michael Huff, and Stanford Routt for stopping the run. We really appreciate the contributions you have all made to ranking us at bottom of the league in run defense. When is AL going to learn this is the greatest priority every year. If he does not address this we are never going to win the AFC west. Every year Kansas City, San Diego, and Denver run the ball down our throats and AL does not seem to care. Would not be surprised if we did not draft a DT in this years draft.
Good post Nacho Vidal and I agree with you. Teams have been running the ball down our throats for years. LT can get in the HOF just off of his games against us. We made Ron Dayne look like Walter Payton in his prime. Why we don't address this problem makes me wonder about Al's mind set. We need a GM.
VaRayder
04-09-2009, 12:11 PM
Good post Nacho Vidal and I agree with you. Teams have been running the ball down our throats for years. LT can get in the HOF just off of his games against us. We made Ron Dayne look like Walter Payton in his prime. Why we don't address this problem makes me wonder about Al's mind set. We need a GM.
:beer: Our GM SUCKS!
cheapshotartist
04-09-2009, 12:50 PM
:beer: Our GM SUCKS!
Word! :csa:
yayarea_raider
04-09-2009, 03:19 PM
What is not true? Kelly almost never gets any push or finds his way into the backfield.
You watching the same player I am? Towards the end of the season, I thought he wasn't at his best. But for most of the season, I saw him get into the back field and disrupt things.
GenRaider
04-09-2009, 03:28 PM
You watching the same player I am? Towards the end of the season, I thought he wasn't at his best. But for most of the season, I saw him get into the back field and disrupt things.
Kelly tired down towards the end of the season. Not having a four man rotation, conditioning played a role, I believe. Hence, we had a three man routation for most of the season. The issue is we do not have the right combo at UT/NT. Kelly would be okay (although he needs to make more plays) but our NT situation is a mess.
JRaider17
04-10-2009, 09:00 AM
Kelly will be pretty good....alongside a true tackle. We should put Kelly at UT, and get that true NT.
Gridiron PIRATE
04-10-2009, 03:17 PM
Kelly will be pretty good....alongside a true tackle. We should put Kelly at UT, and get that true NT.
So easy for us to see, but the brass got two eye patches on trying to "Out-Raider" the league. :csa:
Raidermaiden
04-10-2009, 03:50 PM
Defense should be interesting since the whole coaching staff has changed except Willie Brown (no more Rob Ryan, hopefully no more prevent SMH) frustrating to see Rob Ryan anchor the lines with Burgess and Kelly to create pressure by not committing extra players on the blitz's I hope things change with DL coach Marshall
cheapshotartist
04-10-2009, 08:23 PM
The bottom line is we still need some more talent on defense. :csa:
BlackHeart
04-11-2009, 10:41 PM
Well you cannot overhaul the entire defense in one season, my friend. If so, that would mean 11 new players and, whether we like it or not, you cannot do that in the league today. I could see us maybe going with 3-5 new starters.
I wasn't talking about the entire defense I'm talking about the Dline.
cheapshotartist
04-12-2009, 07:33 AM
I wasn't talking about the entire defense I'm talking about the Dline.
The DL is the key to the entire defense!!! :csa:
GenRaider
04-12-2009, 07:41 AM
I wasn't talking about the entire defense I'm talking about the Dline.
Your not going to get new players at every position on the DL; it is a numbers game.
It would be nice to see at least 1 new starter though...
cheapshotartist
04-13-2009, 01:45 PM
Nose Tackle! :csa:
Nose Tackle! :csa:
I totally agree, if I could only pick one position, it will definitly be the nost tackle.
yayarea_raider
04-13-2009, 06:29 PM
I totally agree, if I could only pick one position, it will definitly be the nost tackle.
X2
BlackHeart
04-14-2009, 01:22 AM
Your not going to get new players at every position on the DL; it is a numbers game.
Well shit, Two new starters won't hurt.
cheapshotartist
04-14-2009, 07:31 AM
All I'm saying is we need some help. Burgess, Warren, Kelly and Richardson is not going to get it. Sands and Joseph are just taking up cap space and don't even get me started on Kellys contract. We need a Director of Football Operations and a GM!!!!
:pissed::flip::csa:
JRaider17
04-14-2009, 09:07 AM
1st - Aaron Curry
2nd - Ron Brace
3rd - Chris Vaughn
Hows that for defense?
Jerseyboy
04-14-2009, 01:22 PM
I WISH curry would fall to us. Otherwise, i don't expect our defense to improve by much because we simply have too many holes. In this draft, I'd be content if we got a DT, a real MLB, and a Safety. We'd still need two capable DEs, especially if Burgess walks. Move Kirk to the outside. We need major DL work, but we wont find a solid DT past Ron brace if he is there in the second. I'm not too fond of the DEs in this draft either
Well shit, Two new starters won't hurt.
Hell, I'll settle for one!
Hell, I'll settle for one!
Me too bro, This draft is different for me, because I just can't put my finger on the pick..
JRaider17
04-14-2009, 01:51 PM
Curry wont drop to 7
You never know...
You never know...
True. But if we were lucky enough for him to fall to us we would still draft maclin lol...
JRaider17
04-14-2009, 01:58 PM
True. But if we were lucky enough for him to fall to us we would still draft maclin lol...
No DHB.... :laugh:
Yea him and friggin Michael Johnson in the 2nd :hurl:
yayarea_raider
04-15-2009, 05:03 PM
True. But if we were lucky enough for him to fall to us we would still draft maclin lol...
I'd way rather they draft DHB than Maclin if they are going to reach and not trade down. They should trade down and draft Laurinitis and Brace IMO. WR in the 2nd, S in the 3rd. OT prospect in the 4th. Could go OT earlier.
GenRaider
04-15-2009, 05:16 PM
I'd way rather they draft DHB than Maclin if they are going to reach and not trade down. They should trade down and draft Laurinitis and Brace IMO. WR in the 2nd, S in the 3rd. OT prospect in the 4th. Could go OT earlier.
James Laurinitis is not a good football player, he is soft as a cupcake.
Tió Nook Nook
04-15-2009, 06:07 PM
i was gonna post something similar to what gen said, but he beat me to it.
no thanks to JL
ohio state football players..blahhhhhh
yayarea_raider
04-15-2009, 07:14 PM
James Laurinitis is not a good football player, he is soft as a cupcake.
Really, from what I've seen and heard about him he is an all around good football player, solid at the least. You don't think he'd be an improvement over Morrison? Otherwise I think a W. Beatty and R. Brace would be good.
BTW, what's your take on CAL MLB Worrel Williams and OLB Zach Follet. I like both these guys (I may be a CAL homer) not just because they come from my fav. school but I think they have what it takes to possibly be solid players in the NFL.
JRaider17
04-16-2009, 09:01 AM
James Laurinitis is not a good football player, he is soft as a cupcake.
Didn't he also test positive for steroids?
yayarea_raider
04-19-2009, 03:19 PM
All I got to say is this-if the Raiders do not draft a 3 DOWN DE and run stuffing NT this defense is going to have problems like it has been having.
Warren is weak. Kelly is hard to judge, as he looks like he takes plays off. Getting a NT that can be in there for run downs and rotate Sands in there...with Warren rotating in with Kelly at UT, with Boschetti (if he makes the team) could be good.
They aren't gonna get it done on defense with what they have now. I'm afraid Al drafts for speed and gets a guy like DE Michael Johnson who I'm not sure would be an upgrade over Burgess, and he's purely a pass rusher I've heard.
Raiders need DL help more than ANYTHING. Re-watching this Jets game is awful because our Raiders got str8 LUCKY. Should have lost that game like twice.
Cross your fingers for a run stuffing BIG ASS MOFO and a 2 down all around DE. Then the defense mioght be able to gel
GenRaider
04-19-2009, 03:38 PM
I would love to grab either Gilbert from San Jose State (big DE) or Sidsbury from Virgina in round two, regardless of what we do in round one.
GenRaider
04-19-2009, 03:41 PM
Really, from what I've seen and heard about him he is an all around good football player, solid at the least. You don't think he'd be an improvement over Morrison? Otherwise I think a W. Beatty and R. Brace would be good.
BTW, what's your take on CAL MLB Worrel Williams and OLB Zach Follet. I like both these guys (I may be a CAL homer) not just because they come from my fav. school but I think they have what it takes to possibly be solid players in the NFL.
R. Brace cannot move laterally, OG and Centers would just cut him, imo.
The OSU LB is not good in coverage, and, with a 43 you want a three down player who can play pass and run well. His defecines have been exposed in two national title games, where he and the other dud Vernon Gholston couldn't do much aganist LSU. Playing in the big ten, you don't see a lot of complexity from the offensive side of balls. Further, prior to the last season, he was suppose to be a top ten talent, yet he dropped.
I prefer Folett over Cal's middle linebacker. Follet, at least is fundamentally sound and, from the sounds of things, we want more structure from the defense, guys who wrap up and tackle.
The one LB who I hope slips, is the Virgina OLB... his name slips my mind at the moment. Just goggle him.
GenRaider
04-19-2009, 03:44 PM
All I got to say is this-if the Raiders do not draft a 3 DOWN DE and run stuffing NT this defense is going to have problems like it has been having.
Warren is weak. Kelly is hard to judge, as he looks like he takes plays off. Getting a NT that can be in there for run downs and rotate Sands in there...with Warren rotating in with Kelly at UT, with Boschetti (if he makes the team) could be good.
They aren't gonna get it done on defense with what they have now. I'm afraid Al drafts for speed and gets a guy like DE Michael Johnson who I'm not sure would be an upgrade over Burgess, and he's purely a pass rusher I've heard.
Raiders need DL help more than ANYTHING. Re-watching this Jets game is awful because our Raiders got str8 LUCKY. Should have lost that game like twice.
Cross your fingers for a run stuffing BIG ASS MOFO and a 2 down all around DE. Then the defense mioght be able to gel
Part of the issues is I believe we don't enough of the right type of players to make a 43 work; furthermore, our DE/NT/UT/DE combination is terrible, no wonder we get shredded up in the run.
For me, I think we need to add at least two defensive players on the line, one more safety and a LB... Our best option (and we have done this) is to trade down in round two.
I'm going post my mock that I did...
R. Brace cannot move laterally, OG and Centers would just cut him, imo.
The OSU LB is not good in coverage, and, with a 43 you want a three down player who can play pass and run well. His defecines have been exposed in two national title games, where he and the other dud Vernon Gholston couldn't do much aganist LSU. Playing in the big ten, you don't see a lot of complexity from the offensive side of balls. Further, prior to the last season, he was suppose to be a top ten talent, yet he dropped.
I prefer Folett over Cal's middle linebacker. Follet, at least is fundamentally sound and, from the sounds of things, we want more structure from the defense, guys who wrap up and tackle.
The one LB who I hope slips, is the Virgina OLB... his name slips my mind at the moment. Just goggle him.
Appelby, Antonio Appleby...
HE is going to be a STEAL for whoever gets him...
That dude is HUGE and athletic and just solid all around.
BTW, Appleby should definitely be available with our 4th pick
GenRaider
04-19-2009, 03:53 PM
BTW, Appleby should definitely be available with our 4th pick
Do you have any scouting write-up on him?
Do you have any scouting write-up on him?
Here is a good interview and write up on him..
http://maxnfldraft.blogspot.com/2009/02/player-interview-antonio-appleby.html
Here is the best scouting report in detail I can find, too bad its from a Bronc site..
again, I didnt comb in depth for it but it will get the point across..
http://www.milehighreport.com/2009/3/29/805290/ilb-antonio-appleby-virgin
If we get him... honestly, this will be one of the most solid picks in the draft.... and an IMPACT pick..
He will bring something we have not had in a LONG time and that is a huge, ferocious run plugging ironhead.
Think Jeremiah Trotter...
Only knock is can he play 4-3?
He is from VA and they have ran 3-4 forever
GenRaider
04-19-2009, 04:08 PM
Here is a good interview and write up on him..
http://maxnfldraft.blogspot.com/2009/02/player-interview-antonio-appleby.html
Here is the best scouting report in detail I can find, too bad its from a Bronc site..
again, I didnt comb in depth for it but it will get the point across..
http://www.milehighreport.com/2009/3/29/805290/ilb-antonio-appleby-virgin
If we get him... honestly, this will be one of the most solid picks in the draft.... and an IMPACT pick..
He will bring something we have not had in a LONG time and that is a huge, ferocious run plugging ironhead.
Think Jeremiah Trotter...
Only knock is can he play 4-3?
He is from VA and they have ran 3-4 forever
True, VA has run the 34 defense for many years, but with that said, I think the kid can play. He has ideal size for a SLB..
Part of the issues is I believe we don't enough of the right type of players to make a 43 work; furthermore, our DE/NT/UT/DE combination is terrible, no wonder we get shredded up in the run.
For me, I think we need to add at least two defensive players on the line, one more safety and a LB... Our best option (and we have done this) is to trade down in round two.
I'm going post my mock that I did...
They could also use a little more stunt plays instead of just going straight through.. Hopefully the new defensive coordinator we have will mix up the linemen assignments as well as the overall defensive plays.. Nothing should be basic in the NFL, just my opinion.
GenRaider
04-19-2009, 04:24 PM
They could also use a little more stunt plays instead of just going straight through.. Hopefully the new defensive coordinator we have will mix up the linemen assignments as well as the overall defensive plays.. Nothing should be basic in the NFL, just my opinion.
We stunted all the time under Chuck Bresh. Ryan played too much zone for my liking.
God, how much I miss Chuck B........
We stunted all the time under Chuck Bresh. Ryan played too much zone for my liking.
Ryan did play too much zone and the defensive linemen couldn't penetrate the line if they're life depended on it.
GenRaider
04-19-2009, 05:34 PM
Ryan did play too much zone and the defensive linemen couldn't penetrate the line if they're life depended on it.
Not only that but he failed to stick with what worked. For some reason whenever we played bump and run and we blitzed, he got away from that. Ryan got too cute.
I always hated how our corners were playing 6-10 yards off the ball and were in a react mode.
GenRaider
04-19-2009, 05:35 PM
God, how much I miss Chuck B........
When compared to Ryan, Chuck B was a good DC.
Raider Ran
04-19-2009, 05:45 PM
BTW, Appleby should definitely be available with our 4th pick
I think he can play 4-3 and be a solid MLB.
I think he can play 4-3 and be a solid MLB.
I agree... Gen stated Appleby would be great fit for SLB.. Id rather move Kirk to SLB and plug a guy like Appleby in the Mike.
He is an imposing physical presence @ 6'3 250+
GenRaider
04-19-2009, 06:40 PM
I don't think Kirk would be ideal at SLB, he cannot get off blocks. We need more size at SLB; think ROMO.
I don't think Kirk would be ideal at SLB, he cannot get off blocks. We need more size at SLB; think ROMO.
so...... give Kirk more steroids THAN move him to SLB?
also Gen, playing Sam you are going to be shedding a TE primarily, and a pulling G or RB.
I'd much rather have Kirk shedding those blocks as opposed to manning the middle and having to shed a G or a G/C combo firing out on the 2nd level on every play
That's what you constantly saw Kirk doing and getting manhandled in the process.
GenRaider
04-19-2009, 06:51 PM
so...... give Kirk more steroids THAN move him to SLB?
lol; maybe, but I just think of Kirk as being a finense type of linebacker. He was basically a WLB in college, SDSU.
lol; maybe, but I just think of Kirk as being a finense type of linebacker. He was basically a WLB in college, SDSU.
yea, but no way with Howard can Kirk be WLB
Not only that but he failed to stick with what worked. For some reason whenever we played bump and run and we blitzed, he got away from that. Ryan got too cute.
I always hated how our corners were playing 6-10 yards off the ball and were in a react mode.
Man! that's what drove me crazy bro.. Why would he play the corners of so far an soft? Our corners don't play that shit, our corners play man coverage.. I just never understood that??
so...... give Kirk more steroids THAN move him to SLB?
LOL
They could also use a little more stunt plays instead of just going straight through.. Hopefully the new defensive coordinator we have will mix up the linemen assignments as well as the overall defensive plays.. Nothing should be basic in the NFL, just my opinion.
Yep, I remember one of NE's Olineman pointed that out that they dont even have to study film on our DL because we dont twist or stunt.
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