Ufc 100

[TheMadEskimo]

I'm looking forward to the Alves/GSP fight, I'll take GSP by superior wrestling followed by some GNP.

Mir/Lesner should be interesting, Mir looked good at the weigh-ins, but I will take Lesner. Although I would like to see Mir sub him again!

I'll take Henderson to whoop up on Bisping, I don't think this fight will be close!

http://mmajunkie.com/news/15475/ufc-100-weigh-in-photos-an-mmajunkie-com-image-gallery.mma

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[UC]

Mir by tap, GSP by decision, Henderson by TKO, I llok forward to seeing Mac Danzig, Jon Jones, and Jon Fitch on the undercard. Hopefully they televise those three fights!

[TheMadEskimo]

Mir by tap, GSP by decision, Henderson by TKO, I llok forward to seeing Mac Danzig, Jon Jones, and Jon Fitch on the undercard. Hopefully they televise those three fights!

Fitch I believe is on the main card, Bones Jones is fun to watch!

[Tooz72]

GSP!

[ROCKET]

This is gonna be a great card...they shit on boxing. Look at all the good fights! I usually go with the home trained fighters here in Albuquerque but I think Alves is gonna get GSP. I believe GSP is probably the best fighter behind Anderson Silva but something tells me Alves is gonna maul him. He destroys people and Im not so sold on GSPs chin.

Im picking Mir, Alves, and Henderson for the main fights...all in all its gonna be off the hinges!

[UC]

I can't wait until Bisping gets four knuckles down his throat. Good times!

[ROCKET]

Holly Madison special guest ring card girl?? NICE!!!!

[ROCKET]

I can't wait until Bisping gets four knuckles down his throat. Good times!

I hope Henderson beats the shit out of him.:hi5

[☠♏ž ჭεĭծեყ ☠]

Hahaha i knew henderson would "uk" bispings punk ass!!

[UC]

Henderson knocked him out clean.

[Doyers y Esleigher]

Anyone know what happened in the fight before the PPV started? They didn't re-show it at the end, and when the show started the ring was covered in blood.

[Bump]

GSP dominated Alves

[UC]

Anyone know what happened in the fight before the PPV started? They didn't re-show it at the end, and when the show started the ring was covered in blood.

I am curious too. It had to be the Jon Jones fight, the Danzig v. Jon Miller fight or the Coleman v. Bonnar match.

[ROCKET]

Anyone know what happened in the fight before the PPV started? They didn't re-show it at the end, and when the show started the ring was covered in blood.

It was the Jim Miller vs Mac Danzig fight....Danzig got his forehead split open and got his ass kicked.

http://media.ufc.tv/i.cfc?method=get&w=550&cs=1&s=6DBB6641-1422-0E8C-9A62176AB30E042D.jpg

[Tooz72]

Guck man too much blood. Hope these cats are tested big time.

[ROCKET]

Guck man too much blood. Hope these cats are tested big time.

LOL, NUH?? I say that all the time.

[Tooz72]

Dana's comments after Brocks post fight rant...lmao

“Straight WWE,” said a stunned Dana White, the president of the UFC. “Brock went so far over the top tonight I can’t even describe it. I don’t think in the history of the UFC we’ve ever done anything like that

[Doyers y Esleigher]

I dunno about in the history of UFC, you used to be able to punch dudes in the nuts.

[ROCKET]

I dunno about in the history of UFC, you used to be able to punch dudes in the nuts.

LOL, way back in the day! In order to go mainstream, they had to implement rules and have a fight structure. It used to be no rules (except biting and eye gouging), no time limit, no weight classes.
Poor Joe Son, he got his nuts knocked in!
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[Doyers y Esleigher]

It was bar brawlers too. You made little to no money if you lost. That shit was in some of the randomest places too.

[Bump]

LOL, way back in the day! In order to go mainstream, they had to implement rules and have a fight structure. It used to be no rules (except biting and eye gouging), no time limit, no weight classes.
Poor Joe Son, he got his nuts knocked in!
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Yea, I miss those epic battles..... no weight classes.... that made for some truly brutal ass whippins

remember this one?

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One of the most brutal knockouts in MMA ever

[GenRaider]

I guess Dana White (what a girlie name by the way) doesn't remember the days of Tank Abbott in the UFC.

[ROCKET]

It was bar brawlers too. You made little to no money if you lost. That shit was in some of the randomest places too.

Yeah exactly...cuz nobody would sanction it. Theres still states that outlaw MMA events when it all actuality, its safer than boxing. These guys take 1, 2 shots and its over. Boxing you get your head pounded for 12 rounds!

[ROCKET]

Yea, I miss those epic battles..... no weight classes.... that made for some truly brutal ass whippins

remember this one?

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One of the most brutal knockouts in MMA ever

Yup, UFC 8. That would still be legal too.

[GenRaider]

It was bar brawlers too. You made little to no money if you lost. That shit was in some of the randomest places too.

I prefer the UFC of the 90s.

[Corndog]

I don't mind the newer, more refined UFC. Back in the 90's the matches were really hit or miss - because of the lack of a time limit, and the limited camera angles, the ground stuff could be REALLY boring to watch, at times. Now, the angles seem limitless, and you really get to see the intricacies of it all, whereas, back in the 90's you'd see what looked like two guys laying on top of each other, for 20+ minutes. Another thing I like about the timed matches, is, it keeps the intensity up.. I remember (and I seriously don't remember much from the 90's :leaf:), matches would become stagnant, whether they were standing, or on the ground wrestling... The good thing about the "old days" was, it truly was a last man standing type of fight, but with the short attention span of most Americans (myself included), we needed something quick to the action, that ends in a timely manner.

It's not like they fight short fights, either. 3-5, 5 minutes rounds seems perfect to me. And punching a dude in the sack??? Ugghh! I know sometimes you gotta go by the old saying, "by all means necessary," but that shit is frowned upon even in a street fight - I'll take a foot stomp over a nut punch any day.

Either way, I liked the old stuff too, and didn't miss too many PPV UFC's back then (with my secret little black box :huh:). Ever since Mike Tyson went too loony to box, and bit off Evander Hollyfields ear, the UFC has been my preferred method of watching two men beat the shit out of each other.

Oh and btw, fuck Bisping. That British loudmouth got KTFO! That was one of the best knockouts I've seen, since Gabriel Gonzaga decapitated Cro Cop in UFC 70.

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Dana White may have a "girlie name" but he sure puts on some good shows.

[TheMadEskimo]

LOL, way back in the day! In order to go mainstream, they had to implement rules and have a fight structure. It used to be no rules (except biting and eye gouging), no time limit, no weight classes.
Poor Joe Son, he got his nuts knocked in!
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Joe Son was arressted last year for kidnapping and rape or something of that nature. No need to feel sorry for him, I'm glad he got his pakage treated like a speed bag!

[ROCKET]

I don't mind the newer, more refined UFC. Back in the 90's the matches were really hit or miss - because of the lack of a time limit, and the limited camera angles, the ground stuff could be REALLY boring to watch, at times. Now, the angles seem limitless, and you really get to see the intricacies of it all, whereas, back in the 90's you'd see what looked like two guys laying on top of each other, for 20+ minutes. Another thing I like about the timed matches, is, it keeps the intensity up.. I remember (and I seriously don't remember much from the 90's :leaf:), matches would become stagnant, whether they were standing, or on the ground wrestling... The good thing about the "old days" was, it truly was a last man standing type of fight, but with the short attention span of most Americans (myself included), we needed something quick to the action, that ends in a timely manner.

It's not like they fight short fights, either. 3-5, 5 minutes rounds seems perfect to me. And punching a dude in the sack??? Ugghh! I know sometimes you gotta go by the old saying, "by all means necessary," but that shit is frowned upon even in a street fight - I'll take a foot stomp over a nut punch any day.

Either way, I liked the old stuff too, and didn't miss too many PPV UFC's back then (with my secret little black box :huh:). Ever since Mike Tyson went too loony to box, and bit off Evander Hollyfields ear, the UFC has been my preferred method of watching two men beat the shit out of each other.

Oh and btw, fuck Bisping. That British loudmouth got KTFO! That was one of the best knockouts I've seen, since Gabriel Gonzaga decapitated Cro Cop in UFC 70.

Dana White may have a "girlie name" but he sure puts on some good shows.

Agree 110! In the beginning, some of the fights were extremely boring, especially with no time limit. The old UFC had its moments but more from the shock factor than anything...seeing a 400 pound sumo dude get beat up by a 185 pound karate guy. I remember the ground fighters were booed due to lack of action. Ive been watching since UFC 1, and got into grappling when I was in the Army. I love the sport! What it is today is WAY better.

What Dana White has done with the UFC since buying it is amazing. He transformed what was about to be a dying sport into one of the most watched and fastest growing sports in the WORLD.

[Corndog]

Joe Son was arressted last year for kidnapping and rape or something of that nature. No need to feel sorry for him, I'm glad he got his pakage treated like a speed bag!

I guess I don't feel so bad about it then..haha

[ROCKET]

Joe Son was arressted last year for kidnapping and rape or something of that nature. No need to feel sorry for him, I'm glad he got his pakage treated like a speed bag!

LOL...and Kimo got arrested for meth not too long ago. Joe Son used to train Kimo....that guy was a BEAST!

[UC]

I guess Dana White (what a girlie name by the way) doesn't remember the days of Tank Abbott in the UFC.


Tank Abbott, although fun to watch, was a complete joke of a fighter. I'd take watching the best there is in the sport versus watching some street brawling hack slug it out. He was prone to leg kicks like a mofo. He had no clue how to check a freaking kick. Sorry ass fighter... you can catch fights like his on the internet.

[Corndog]

Tank Abbott, although fun to watch, was a complete joke of a fighter. I'd take watching the best there is in the sport versus watching some street brawling hack slug it out. He was prone to leg kicks like a mofo. He had no clue how to check a freaking kick. Sorry ass fighter... you can catch fights like his on the internet.

Tank is the type of dude you'd want having your back at a Slayer show.. He was fun to watch fight, because it was like watching one of your buddies get into a brawl, but he was nowhere near the athlete/fighter that the new generation of UFC has now.

[GenRaider]

I don't mind the newer, more refined UFC. Back in the 90's the matches were really hit or miss - because of the lack of a time limit, and the limited camera angles, the ground stuff could be REALLY boring to watch, at times. Now, the angles seem limitless, and you really get to see the intricacies of it all, whereas, back in the 90's you'd see what looked like two guys laying on top of each other, for 20+ minutes. Another thing I like about the timed matches, is, it keeps the intensity up.. I remember (and I seriously don't remember much from the 90's :leaf:), matches would become stagnant, whether they were standing, or on the ground wrestling... The good thing about the "old days" was, it truly was a last man standing type of fight, but with the short attention span of most Americans (myself included), we needed something quick to the action, that ends in a timely manner.

It's not like they fight short fights, either. 3-5, 5 minutes rounds seems perfect to me. And punching a dude in the sack??? Ugghh! I know sometimes you gotta go by the old saying, "by all means necessary," but that shit is frowned upon even in a street fight - I'll take a foot stomp over a nut punch any day.

Either way, I liked the old stuff too, and didn't miss too many PPV UFC's back then (with my secret little black box :huh:). Ever since Mike Tyson went too loony to box, and bit off Evander Hollyfields ear, the UFC has been my preferred method of watching two men beat the shit out of each other.

Oh and btw, fuck Bisping. That British loudmouth got KTFO! That was one of the best knockouts I've seen, since Gabriel Gonzaga decapitated Cro Cop in UFC 70.

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Dana White may have a "girlie name" but he sure puts on some good shows.

Cute camera angles doesn't make a fight better. I prefer the 90s style as it was more authenic, guys weren't pussies in the ring. I prefer a lot of the actual grapplers that were in the support, not a lot of these reality tv show stars. Fuck, UFC isn't even the best promotion going.

Give me the days of Severn, Gracie, Shamrock over half of these numnuts.

[GenRaider]

Tank Abbott, although fun to watch, was a complete joke of a fighter. I'd take watching the best there is in the sport versus watching some street brawling hack slug it out. He was prone to leg kicks like a mofo. He had no clue how to check a freaking kick. Sorry ass fighter... you can catch fights like his on the internet.

I'm not talking about ABBOTT as a fighter, YS. I am refering to ABBOTT is the guy who did a lot of antics after the fights or away from UFC. Shit, Tito ORTIZ wasn't exactly a choir boy in the ring. What LESNAR did wasn't exactly new...

[GenRaider]

Agree 110! In the beginning, some of the fights were extremely boring, especially with no time limit. The old UFC had its moments but more from the shock factor than anything...seeing a 400 pound sumo dude get beat up by a 185 pound karate guy. I remember the ground fighters were booed due to lack of action. Ive been watching since UFC 1, and got into grappling when I was in the Army. I love the sport! What it is today is WAY better.

What Dana White has done with the UFC since buying it is amazing. He transformed what was about to be a dying sport into one of the most watched and fastest growing sports in the WORLD.

What Dana White has done is capitalize on the fact that boxing has been descending for the last decade. UFC is not the best promotion, just the most recognizable for the marketing approach.

[Corndog]

Cute camera angles doesn't make a fight better. I prefer the 90s style as it was more authenic, guys weren't pussies in the ring. I prefer a lot of the actual grapplers that were in the support, not a lot of these reality tv show stars. Fuck, UFC isn't even the best promotion going.

Give me the days of Severn, Gracie, Shamrock over half of these numnuts.

:huh:

You argue the most mundane points, sometimes... Camera angles that allow the viewer to see more of the fight, are cute? Ok... I can't see how you can call any dude going into the ring to potentially have his head kicked in, arm broken, nose busted, whatever... a pussy. You can have your 30 minutes of dry humping - I prefer what we watch now. And don't get me wrong, I like grappling too, but if they aren't doing shit, they need to stand up, and start over.

[GenRaider]

:huh:

You argue the most mundane points, sometimes... Camera angles that allow the viewer to see more of the fight, are cute? Ok... I can't see how you can call any dude going into the ring to potentially have his head kicked in, arm broken, nose busted, whatever... a pussy. You can have your 30 minutes of dry humping - I prefer what we watch now. And don't get me wrong, I like grappling too, but if they aren't doing shit, they need to stand up, and start over.


I didn't bring up the "camera angles" you did. I said half the fighter nowdays are pussies. Then again, that just could be based on the way the fights are called, referee or how there is a lot less leeway.

Yeah, I prefer to actual watch the art of Brazilian style jujitsu and judo over this stand up shit... But hey if you like more standup that is okay. I'm just not a fan of a lot of guys who stand up. I prefer more technical guys... You can refer to it as boring if you want. Don't get me wrong I like standup. However, if I want to see pure standup I would watch muay thai.

[Corndog]

I didn't bring up the "camera angles" you did. I said half the fighter nowdays are pussies. Then again, that just could be based on the way the fights are called, referee or how there is a lot less leeway.

Yeah, I prefer to actual watch the art of braizillan style jujitsu and judo over this stand up shit... But hey if you like more standup that is okay. I'm just not a fan of a lot of guys who stand up. I prefer more technical guys... You can refer to it as boring if you want.


You missed the point with the camera angles.. but yeah, these guys, now, aren't skilled or technical fighters..

[GenRaider]

You missed the point with the camera angles.. but yeah, these guys, now, aren't skilled or technical fighters..

Sarcasm only works on occasion. Too much sarcasm equates to pretentiousness.

[Corndog]

Sarcasm only works on occasion. Too much sarcasm equates to pretentiousness.

Pot calling the kettle black? You're the most pretentious person on this board.

[Corndog]

Unless of course you're implying something else. Which I could easily miss with all the big words you throw around... I'm a big dummy :doh:

[GenRaider]

Pot calling the kettle black? You're the most pretentious person on this board.

I love being called the most pretentious person on the board. That is a compliment. But I've been called much, much worse.

And is not pot calling the kettle black (Hasn't that term already been beated to death by the newspaper, mass media, critics, writers alike???) but sarcasm is good in situations.. But after awhile it turns into sarchasm.

[ROCKET]

What Dana White has done is capitalize on the fact that boxing has been descending for the last decade. UFC is not the best promotion, just the most recognizable for the marketing approach.

Dana White = Smart Businessman.

[UC]

I'm not talking about ABBOTT as a fighter, YS. I am refering to ABBOTT is the guy who did a lot of antics after the fights or away from UFC. Shit, Tito ORTIZ wasn't exactly a choir boy in the ring. What LESNAR did wasn't exactly new...

Gen: Lesnar did bring it to a whole new level though. He dissed the main sponsor and alienated a fan base on one of the most hyped cards in UFC history. The damage he did in the eyes of pundits and new fans has really hurt the sport. You cannot compare where UFC was then to where it is now. Lesnar is a prick.. his act is fabricated.. .he has no mic skills and he is not that great of a fighter.

Re: the general conversation: UFC needs a super heavy weight division because even the most skilled fighters can do nothing when having a 290 pound man laying on them, chest to chest. He can use that strategy in every fight going forward and dominate not due to skill but due to pure size. Mir is a much better fighter than Lesnar but the guy is outweighed by 50 some pounds.

That is the equivalent of BJ Penn fighting Rampage Jackson. Think about it!

[ROCKET]

Gen: Lesnar did bring it to a whole new level though. He dissed the main sponsor and alienated a fan base on one of the most hyped cards in UFC history. The damage he did in the eyes of pundits and new fans has really hurt the sport. You cannot compare where UFC was then to where it is now. Lesnar is a prick.. his act is fabricated.. .he has no mic skills and he is not that great of a fighter.

Re: the general conversation: UFC needs a super heavy weight division because even the most skilled fighters can do nothing when having a 290 pound man laying on them, chest to chest. He can use that strategy in every fight going forward and dominate not due to skill but due to pure size. Mir is a much better fighter than Lesnar but the guy is outweighed by 50 some pounds.

That is the equivalent of BJ Penn fighting Rampage Jackson. Think about it!

Yup. Lesnar totally went against any ethics of Martial Arts, respect. When its all said and done, respect the fighter and the fight. He jumped in his face and said, talk some shit now!! Was it necessary?? Dude, you just kicked his ass! :clap:

Lesnar is NOT good..hes a good wrestler but he's Tim Sylvia pt.2. Hes big and smothers people. I could see a fight with him and maybe Kimbo but who else?? Fuck Lesnar. He needs an education on what the sport was built on.

[UC]

Yup. Lesnar totally went against any ethics of Martial Arts, respect. When its all said and done, respect the fighter and the fight. He jumped in his face and said, talk some shit now!! Was it necessary?? Dude, you just kicked his ass! :clap:

Lesnar is NOT good..hes a good wrestler but he's Tim Sylvia pt.2. Hes big and smothers people. I could see a fight with him and maybe Kimbo but who else?? Fuck Lesnar. He needs an education on what the sport was built on.

I think the heavyweight class should be up to 250 pounds give or take. I believe, to be sanctioned, you have to weigh in at 265 but, c'mon, we all could see that Brock was easily pushing 280 once he put his water weight back on. Frank Mir would have no reason to cut, so he's probably a REAL 245. Maybe I overspoke with the 50 pounds, but Jesus, the weight difference, strength, and wrestling skill will make Brock undefeatable (and not because he is a real talent either)

Brock is going to ruin the heavyweight class. He will likely face Mir one more time (if Frank can win a fight or two) but then after that fight, who the hell will want to buy a card to see him lay on someone? I think his schtick will get old fast and he just easily lost himself A LOT of money in the long run.

[Tooz72]

I thought Lesnar was on something after seeing that, he had been pretty humble/cool headed since being apart of UFC. Did Mir really irritate him that bad? Surprised he didnt bust out with the "Eat Mirs children".....:mean:

[UC]

I thought Lesnar was on something after seeing that, he had been pretty humble/cool headed since being apart of UFC. Did Mir really irritate him that bad? Surprised he didnt bust out with the "Eat Mirs children".....:mean:

In the preview show, he says he does not respect anybody in the sport. :?

[Miklo]

Was I the only person who saw Mir get up, still completely dazed, and start heading after Brock? Brock didn't get in his face, it was the other way around. He probably told him to sit his ass down.

As for the rest of his antics, pretty crazy. But I really don't give a shit. People love the hell out of Floyd Mayweather and he has said much worse things IMO. Look at Dan Henderson - the adrenaline is pumping so hard, sometimes you say something stupid that you're going to regret. I've seen all the shit that's gone back and forth between Mir and Lesnar and it's pretty obvious that Mir instigated all this shit, he just couldn't back it up in the end. It was pretty obvious once Frank had gathered himself he was playing the humble card, which is complete bullshit because anyone who has followed Frank Mir's career knows that is nothing like who he really is. He just wanted to further alienate Lesnar from the fanbase, and I bet you it worked. Good strategy.

I agree the UFC should look into making a super heavyweight class, but that still doesn't make Brock any worse of a fighter. Find someone who at 290 lbs is as athletic, fast, has as much endurance, and at the same time is as powerful as Brock. I doubt you can. He has only had a handful of pro fights and he's already the champ. There are some guys out there who can beat him, though - he isn't untouchable, even at 290+. Mir beat him weighing considerably less than him so him being too big to be beat is already a mooted point.

And one final thing: You said that was the equivalent of BJ Penn fighting Rampage...did you know BJ fought Machida?

[TruR8r]

I for one loved Lesnar's antics, especially the shit talking to Mir after he fucked him up.

[UC]

^^^ LOL Yeah, a dazed Mir went to show respect to the winner... you know, that is the unspoken code. Lesnar refused to touch gloves at the beginning which is a disrespect but not the end of the world. Then he got in Mir's face when Mir came to congratulate the winner and then proceeded to embarrass the entire sport.

Lesnar was calling Mir's first win a fluke when it was Lesnar dumb inexperience that lost him the fight. A little trash talk before a fight is not unusual and is encouraged. It helps sell the card. What Lesnar did was self righteous and an embarrasment to a classy sport.

The end.

[GenRaider]

Well. MMA is a combination of boxing and martial arts.

For the record, Mir is the clown who was running his mouth during the weigh in session..

[GenRaider]

Unless of course you're implying something else. Which I could easily miss with all the big words you throw around... I'm a big dummy :doh:

If I wanted I could toss around "bigger words," all day, but what point would that prove. And there is a difference between tossing around a 50 dollar word and knowing what that word actually means in which case you can apply it in a correct manner.

[GenRaider]

Dana White = Smart Businessman.

I've already stated that he was.

[GenRaider]

Gen: Lesnar did bring it to a whole new level though. He dissed the main sponsor and alienated a fan base on one of the most hyped cards in UFC history. The damage he did in the eyes of pundits and new fans has really hurt the sport. You cannot compare where UFC was then to where it is now. Lesnar is a prick.. his act is fabricated.. .he has no mic skills and he is not that great of a fighter.

Re: the general conversation: UFC needs a super heavy weight division because even the most skilled fighters can do nothing when having a 290 pound man laying on them, chest to chest. He can use that strategy in every fight going forward and dominate not due to skill but due to pure size. Mir is a much better fighter than Lesnar but the guy is outweighed by 50 some pounds.

That is the equivalent of BJ Penn fighting Rampage Jackson. Think about it!

Well he is former college wrestling champion, so I think he is a pretty damn good fighter.

And who the hell cares about Mic skills in mix martial arts?

I don't care how well MIR can "fight", the fact is he lost.

[Miklo]

^^^ LOL Yeah, a dazed Mir went to show respect to the winner... you know, that is the unspoken code. Lesnar refused to touch gloves at the beginning which is a disrespect but not the end of the world. Then he got in Mir's face when Mir came to congratulate the winner and then proceeded to embarrass the entire sport.

Lesnar was calling Mir's first win a fluke when it was Lesnar dumb inexperience that lost him the fight. A little trash talk before a fight is not unusual and is encouraged. It helps sell the card. What Lesnar did was self righteous and an embarrasment to a classy sport.

The end.

I didn't say a dazed Mir went to show respect to Lesnar. A dazed Mir got up and started stumbling towards Lesnar like he wanted to keep going and that's when Lesnar got in his face. There was no way he was going to congratulate him...and if he was, then I'd be willing to bet it's Frank Mir being his usual self and congratulating Lesnar sarcastically to be a bitch. I'm talking about when Joe Rogan interviewed Mir after he interviewed Lesnar, when he was acting all high and humbled. Fighters don't touch gloves all the time, it's just more noticeable in title fights since that's the only time when they try and make the fighters touch them.

Lesnar was calling Mir's first fight a fluke because he got ahead of himself. Did he not prove that it really was a fluke? Of course he was inexperienced, it was his 2nd fight! What Lesnar did was retribution to someone who (as Gen pointed out just now) started the shit-talking and couldn't back it up. I would never do what Lesnar did, but I understand (besides the sponsor bashing) where he was coming from with regards to Mir and I found the whole thing to be a hell of a show.

[TruR8r]

^^^ LOL Yeah, a dazed Mir went to show respect to the winner... you know, that is the unspoken code. Lesnar refused to touch gloves at the beginning which is a disrespect but not the end of the world. Then he got in Mir's face when Mir came to congratulate the winner and then proceeded to embarrass the entire sport.

Lesnar was calling Mir's first win a fluke when it was Lesnar dumb inexperience that lost him the fight. A little trash talk before a fight is not unusual and is encouraged. It helps sell the card. What Lesnar did was self righteous and an embarrasment to a classy sport.

The end.

Tito Ortiz would do it all the time and he never got dissed like Lesnar has. A lot of people just can't stand Brock and to his credit he hasn't been touched yet in a sport he had no business being in according to some people.

[GenRaider]

Tito Ortiz would do it all the time and he never got dissed like Lesnar has. A lot of people just can't stand Brock and to his credit he hasn't been touched yet in a sport he had no business being in according to some people.

Ortiz was one of the original bad boys of the sport. He always use to get Shamrock riled up prior to fights and would collective stomp his ass. These type of antics that these guys are doing is not anything new or earth-shattering.

[UC]

Well he is former college wrestling champion, so I think he is a pretty damn good fighter.

And who the hell cares about Mic skills in mix martial arts?

I don't care how well MIR can "fight", the fact is he lost.

Mic skills are not important... my point, which I did not fully flush out, is that he thinks this is still the WWE. I don't follow WWE but I heard his mic skills were putrid... and he brought those with him to MMA and embarrased the sport.

Brock is genetically rich. He is a great wrestler, no denying that. But his size and his strength are what makes him able to do what he does. He is not an MMA fighter. His shtick will get old when nobody can avoid being taken down and laid on, chest to chest, each and every fight.

He'll never develop any submission skills. His stand up will remain a joke. All he will be able to do is get you on the ground and smother while throwing short punches and elbows.

[Miklo]

The only things I think Lesnar has done that were over the top and overly unnecessary were bashing the sponsor, and saying that he doesn't respect any fighter. I haven't seen him say that so I'll have to see that, but I can agree with you that that is very disrespectful. Other than that, he has put on quite the show.

Let me throw one thing out there: any publicity is good publicity. And yesterday when I turned on the TV and watched Rome is Burning and Around the Horn, they spent quite a bit of time talking about each of their first topics, which were MMA. I don't think I've ever even seen MMA talked about on Around the Horn, but they spent nearly the entire first segment talking about it. Call it what you want, but I'd be willing to bet some people are getting interested.

[GenRaider]

Mic skills are not important... my point, which I did not fully flush out, is that he thinks this is still the WWE. I don't follow WWE but I heard his mic skills were putrid... and he brought those with him to MMA and embarrased the sport.

Brock is genetically rich. He is a great wrestler, no denying that. But his size and his strength are what makes him able to do what he does. He is not an MMA fighter. His shtick will get old when nobody can avoid being taken down and laid on, chest to chest, each and every fight.

He'll never develop any submission skills. His stand up will remain a joke. All he will be able to do is get you on the ground and smother while throwing short punches and elbows.

Its called Mix Martial Arts for a reason... I've already talked about the fact that I prefer more of a grappler than a pure stand up guy. I don't think we can state that Lesnar is not a great MMA FIGHTER just based on the different styles which are brought in. All I know is the guy is a freak of nature at 290, very agile; furthermore, in regards to his striking ability, he may or may not get better over time. Who knows.

For the record, I think guys with a mat game have the ability to school cats who rely too much on their stand up game... just an opinion of course.

Hell, my favorite fighter was Gracie.

I always prefer a fight when a guy can force you into a position where you are not comfortable.

Lesnar actually was decent on the MIC in the WWE, but that was nearly 6 years ago.

[UC]

The 4 disrespectful things Lesnar did

1) State no respect for any fighter
2) Refuse to touch gloves
3) Get in Mir's face after a route
4) Pull shenanigans on the sponsor

Any one, maybe two of these I could attribute to Brock's a little over the top but within the brackets of decent.

He is good for the sport in the short term, no doubt. But in the long run, he will do it major damage IMO.

[Miklo]

I think this is more of an exception than the rule, unless he loses to every fighter the first time and then between that and the rematch the guy talks a lot of shit.

[UC]

Its called Mix Martial Arts for a reason... I've already talked about the fact that I prefer more of a grappler than a pure stand up guy. I don't think we can state that Lesnar is not a great MMA FIGHTER just based on the different styles which are brought in. All I know is the guy is a freak of nature at 290, very agile; furthermore, in regards to his striking ability, he may or may not get better over time. Who knows.

For the record, I think guys with a mat game have the ability to school cats who rely too much on their stand up game... just an opinion of course.

Hell, my favorite fighter was Gracie.

I always prefer a fight when a guy can force you into a position where you are not comfortable.

Lesnar actually was decent on the MIC in the WWE, but that was nearly 6 years ago.

His size sets up everything. You take away his size and put him at 245 along with Mir and his lack of skills would be evident. He outweighs Mir by 40-50 pounds once he puts his water weight back on! He is a massive brawler at this point. He neutralizes BJJ by laying chest to chest and throwing short punches. The shtick will get old fast. He's a freak of nature first, an MMA fighter second. I'd be shell shocked if those two ever changed order.

[UC]

I think this is more of an exception than the rule, unless he loses to every fighter the first time and then between that and the rematch the guy talks a lot of shit.

We'll have to see. His PR people will probably have him be VERY tame in his next bout against Carwin/Velasquez

[GenRaider]

His size sets up everything. You take away his size and put him at 245 along with Mir and his lack of skills would be evident. He outweighs Mir by 40-50 pounds once he puts his water weight back on! He is a massive brawler at this point. He neutralizes BJJ by laying chest to chest and throwing short punches. The shtick will get old fast. He's a freak of nature first, an MMA fighter second. I'd be shell shocked if those two ever changed order.

Its debatable how good he would be at 245, very debatable. But you cannot take away some of the advnatages that guys with wrestling backgrounds have over cats other MMA disciplines. And really, I dunno how we are classify mma fighters as there isn't a true definition.

[UC]

Its debatable how good he would be at 245, very debatable. But you cannot take away some of the advnatages that guys with wrestling backgrounds have over cats other MMA disciplines. And really, I dunno how we are classify mma fighters as there isn't a true definition.

I do not believe it is unreasonable to take away a physical advantage and isolate the skills of each fighter. Sanctions would never allow Jens Pulver at 145 to fight Dan Henderson at 185. The heavyweight division needs a reform. There should be a heavy weight, and super heavy weight class IMO. I'm not trying to say Lesnar is not skilled at all, I'm just think he exploits a flaw in the system. He should take advantage of this. A skilled fighter, such as Mir, has no chance when he is outweighed by 3-4 incremental weight classes. Brock's performance was exceptional, no doubt. He works heard, I believe it. But he is nothing more than an inexperienced one trick pony who will be hard pressed to be beaten due to his size first, skills second.

[Miklo]

His size sets up everything. You take away his size and put him at 245 along with Mir and his lack of skills would be evident. He outweighs Mir by 40-50 pounds once he puts his water weight back on! He is a massive brawler at this point. He neutralizes BJJ by laying chest to chest and throwing short punches. The shtick will get old fast. He's a freak of nature first, an MMA fighter second. I'd be shell shocked if those two ever changed order.

Freaks of nature are always the best at what they do. Every once in awhile there is someone who just dominates the opposition because of their god-given abilities, not because of their experience and training. It happens in sports. If it didn't I'd be in the NHL tomorrow. Unfortunately for me, 5'9" is going to leave me being in the top 10 shortest players in the NHL though. It's not just his size though. Seriously, find someone that is that big, who also has that much speed and stamina. He is a highly-trained machine. Say what you want about him, but he's only had 5 fights and he has dominated the opposition so far. You can't take that away from him.

Neutralizing BJJ by taking people down and laying on them is not unique to only Lesnar. Ever watch Clay Guida fight? He has no BJJ skills, but he takes people down and gets so deep on them that they can't use their BJJ on him. And Guida is probably my favorite fighter in the UFC. It's called strategy. Any fighter would do that if they had the ability, BJJ is very dangerous and hard to guard against if you aren't experienced in it.

[Doyers y Esleigher]

His size sets up everything. You take away his size and put him at 245 along with Mir and his lack of skills would be evident. He outweighs Mir by 40-50 pounds once he puts his water weight back on! He is a massive brawler at this point. He neutralizes BJJ by laying chest to chest and throwing short punches. The shtick will get old fast. He's a freak of nature first, an MMA fighter second. I'd be shell shocked if those two ever changed order.

No offense, but this is total bullshit. Brock is a world class wrestler, one of the best in US history, and if he hadn't taken the money to work for Vince McMahon, he'd probably have gold medals by now. He's not just some physical freak, dude knows what he's doing in there. If you remember the first Mir fight, Lesnar tried to get too technical and cute and got caught because of it, so he used his strength and brawling skill to his ability.

That's what's scary about Brock, he dismantled a younger guy with more MMA experience without employing his wrestling skills.

[Miklo]

I do not believe it is unreasonable to take away a physical advantage and isolate the skills of each fighter. Sanctions would never allow Jens Pulver at 145 to fight Dan Henderson at 185. The heavyweight division needs a reform. There should be a heavy weight, and super heavy weight class IMO. I'm not trying to say Lesnar is not skilled at all, I'm just think he exploits a flaw in the system. He should take advantage of this. A skilled fighter, such as Mir, has no chance when he is outweighed by 3-4 incremental weight classes. Brock's performance was exceptional, no doubt. He works heard, I believe it. But he is nothing more than an inexperienced one trick pony who will be hard pressed to be beaten due to his size first, skills second.

Do what you gotta do to win, IMO. If you have the abilities, use them. Why not?

One guy who has the size? Tim Sylvia. 6'7, walks around at 300+. How has that worked out for him his past few fights? People learn to exploit things.

[UC]

Do what you gotta do to win, IMO. If you have the abilities, use them. Why not?

One guy who has the size? Tim Sylvia. 6'7, walks around at 300+. How has that worked out for him his past few fights? People learn to exploit things.

Oh definitely. I stated in the quoted text that he SHOULD take advantage of the flawed system. Tim Sylvia is a good example and I'll agree with that point. Fighters eventually took it to him but that does not prove the system is not flawed.

[UC]

No offense, but this is total bullshit. Brock is a world class wrestler, one of the best in US history, and if he hadn't taken the money to work for Vince McMahon, he'd probably have gold medals by now. He's not just some physical freak, dude knows what he's doing in there. If you remember the first Mir fight, Lesnar tried to get too technical and cute and got caught because of it, so he used his strength and brawling skill to his ability.

That's what's scary about Brock, he dismantled a younger guy with more MMA experience without employing his wrestling skills.

Wrestling is a HUGE weapon to have in your arsenal as an MMA fighter. Never did I knock Brock's wrestling skills. That would be foolish.

But the size discrepancy hides his flaws. Matt Hughes was dominant because he had wrestling and BJJ skills.

Can you name 3 of Brock's strengths?

1). Size/Power
2). Wrestling
3). ????

I won't debate that he only has these two or that he will only ever have these two but this is ALL we have seen to this point. What I am debating is that the system is flawed and he is an assbag.

Kudos to him for implementing his game plan without straying. I cannot wait to see how Mir adjusts for the third fight but I doubt the outcome will be any different.

And Brock did use his wrestling skills in this past fight. That is how he was so proficient at smothering Frank without ever giving an oppurtunity for Mir to pop on any type of submission.

[UC]

Freaks of nature are always the best at what they do. Every once in awhile there is someone who just dominates the opposition because of their god-given abilities, not because of their experience and training. It happens in sports. Seriously, find someone that is that big, who also has that much speed and stamina. He is a highly-trained machine. Say what you want about him, but he's only had 5 fights and he has dominated the opposition so far. You can't take that away from him.

Yeah, I digress here. Add speed to #3 in my response to Hill. His stamina, when it comes to an MMA fight is unknown at this point.



Neutralizing BJJ by taking people down and laying on them is not unique to only Lesnar. Ever watch Clay Guida fight? It's called strategy. Any fighter would do that if they had the ability, BJJ is very dangerous and hard to guard against if you aren't experienced in it.


Not denying this either. I stand behind the fact that Brock is a one trick pony. He has shown no stand up other than a hard straight right, no BJJ, I have not seen any decent kicks.. not saying he has to develop these all to gain respect. Hate to sound like a broken record but I believe his size is his biggest attribute and when you outweight someone by 40-50 pounds, then the playing ground is skewed.

[Doyers y Esleigher]

But the size discrepancy hides his flaws. Matt Hughes was dominant because he had wrestling and BJJ skills.

Overrated fighter studying an overrated fighting system (BJJ). I don't see why you have to be decent at 3 things instead of great at two of them. Hughes has been exposed by better fighters anyway.

Can you name 3 of Brock's strengths?

1). Size/Power
2). Wrestling
3). ????

Striking. You can't ignore Brock's fists anymore because he clearly knows how to punch. He KO'ed Randy Couture standing up!

I won't debate that he only has these two or that he will only ever have these two but this is ALL we have seen to this point. What I am debating is that the system is flawed and he is an assbag.

What system? The bottom line is Brock is winning his fights. Even his loss was impressive, he had Mir beat and made a rookie mistake that cost him.

Kudos to him for implementing his game plan without straying. I cannot wait to see how Mir adjusts for the third fight but I doubt the outcome will be any different.

And Brock did use his wrestling skills in this past fight. That is how he was so proficient at smothering Frank without ever giving an oppurtunity for Mir to pop on any type of submission.

You attributed that to his size and power earlier. It's knowing how to use his size and power. Mir probably trained with guys Brock's size for this fight, it's not just the size that helps.

[TheMadEskimo]

Looks like Brock will be fighting the winner of Velasquez/Carwin, two big time wrestlers only not as big. We will see how it turns out but we will have to wait. Like Lesner, both those guys are young in the sport...

I think Josh Barnett and Fedor are the best possible opponents for Lesner, unfortunately neither of them are in the UFC. And if Barnett beats Fedor is August, it doesn't look like Dana will sign him. So Fedor will be the one to whoop up on Lesner if he gets passed Barnett!

[Doyers y Esleigher]

Fedor will wipe the floor with Barnett. Who was the last top Barnett beat? An old Pedro Rizzo?

[TheMadEskimo]

Gilbert Yvel is a bad mofo! And the punishment Barnett took against Fedors brother Aleks only to come back and key lock him was a thing of beauty! Obviously they were both strikers, but they were the two best heavyweight strikers in MMA!

[BigPrimo]

I hope they bring fedor to the ufc, so he can clean house.

BTW i thought Lesnar display after the fight other than not not touching gloves was wonderful. The budlight joke was pretty awsome!!! I dunno maybe thats the old wwf fan in me talking.

[Doyers y Esleigher]

UFC used to be so much worse than just some meathead redneck shouting into a mic anyway. The company basically lived off Tito Ortiz acting like a douchebag. Remember the 2nd Guy Mezger fight?

[Bump]

Tito Ortiz would do it all the time and he never got dissed like Lesnar has. A lot of people just can't stand Brock and to his credit he hasn't been touched yet in a sport he had no business being in according to some people.

I dont know why anybody would think Lesnar doesnt belong in MMA.. He has a traditional wrestling background. It's not like Kimbo or even like Ray Mercer or some shit.

He is for real.

[Bump]

Brock is not hype...